DeleD Community Edition

[handless]

Buy a new computer.

[manleystanley]

That's a rather curious responce. Yes I would like a new comp; this Yugo of a Gateway is fairly inadaquit for my needs, But what has that got to do with this thread?

I'm sure there are quite a few of you that can understand my frustration. I'm that close to being able to work these tracks, but ether I get the .x right with no textures, or a .x with textures,that I can't use. I swair I spend more time trying to get things to work then I do actually getting any thing done.
Oh, and what am I doing. this


This is the completed Brno racway. It is now Rural Route B{rno}. I've done all the textures; well those aren't mine on the bike. The back ground and sky are Terragen, most of the textures are Genetica2 Pro beta. No I didn't model the race way, I realy can't model anything in the collision model, but I could model or mod anything else. I would like to have set the slope/hills back a bit further from the track, and blended it with the back ground. But I can't till I get things to cooperate.
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[handless]

[manleystanley]

hmmm, the problem isn't the computer. The problem is DeleD exports a .x with no frames, programs the require the .x to have frames wont render a DeleD .x.
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[Jeroen]

It is not logical for DeleD to export with frames because DeleD does not support animation (and most likely won't either). As it is perfectly possible to save .x files without frames, you could also look at it the other way around: the problem is with the other programs not being able to read .x files that don't have frames.

[manleystanley]

Which is every one I have. And I'm not refering to animation. This is what I'm talking about


No I'm not tring infer anything That's the .x for the Assen track, it's just the one I'm working on now so I already had the .x open..
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[manleystanley]

Well folks i guess I'm done with DeleD. When I first downloaded it, it seemed like the tool for the job. The fact that it had a very straight forword, logical inerface, as-well-as being able to open a dk4edit .x and render the associated textures, got me realy hyped that I had found my modeling tool. But after working with it I see that it is not. It seems that without some sort of conversion the only cg program on my computer that will open and display a DeleD .x is DeleD. I found DeleD because I was looking for a program that would import/export a .x so I wouldn't have to go through all the conversions to work a model, and yet I find myself right back to doing as many conversions to have a usable .x. I suggested a simple one step solution to my problem, and was met with obsurdety. One person seems to think that getting a new computer will get DeleD to save .x's with frames. Another semms to think that the problem is not with DeleD but every other program on my comp.

Oh, well. Off to search for a tool that will do the job.
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[Jeroen]

I'm sorry to hear you're leaving DeleD.

[manleystanley]

I hope you don't mind a bit of good natured arguementetiveness. I am rather stuborn and ; even though I may say it, i don't give up that easily. I have learned that persistence usually pays off.
I'm still confused with why, when I run the dk4edit .x through deep explorer, then open it and save with DeleD, I get a usable .x.

And I also don't understand the animation thing. I'm not doing animations, the object is not animated. I don't do animations; i've tried but I'm not there yet . And I don't want a modeling prog that does them; I hate having all thoughs funtions that I'm not going to use in my way. I think the confusion I'm having here is you say frame and animation, and I think frames of animation. I'm saying frame as in picture frame. So I need my meshes framed so that the other programs can appreciate them.

What's not logical is limiting the number of post production programs the can use the DeleD .x. The more programs that can use the DeleD .x the more people there will be using DeleD
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What forest? All I see are trees.

[Jeroen]

You want a discussion, let's bring it on! Seriously though, I'm always in for a discussion.

[Paul-Jan]

Microsoft kinda agrees on Jeroen's definition of frames in .X files I'm affraid

[manleystanley]

No need. I desided turn my head in a different direction. I wanted to figure out why, when I run the dk4edit .x through Deep ex first, it's fine. I compaired the 2 .x's side by side and had read over them several times before I spoted what the difference was. And what was it?
A 1. Yes Deep ex was simple puting a 1 at the end of the mesh name. So, I took the .x from dk4edit and put in the 1. I simply changed "mesh sky" to "mesh sky1". Now it's fine, everything reads it..

Guess I'll have to apologize for my myopic stuborness. I am working spacificly with .x's converted from game dk4s, and then having to convert back. It's not an easy thing trying to work with 5 year old game that has only recently been opened.

Although I do still need Frames for x2dk4.
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[Jeroen]

That's really weird. Why would it work with a 1 character and not without? I'm not aware of any naming conventions in .x except that texturefiles must not start with a digit. Anyone?

[manleystanley]

Hmm, my comp training is to old to do much good. I've got an example of what I'm talking about below. I the top right example there is an extra braket. It is a set, closed at the end of the mesh, wouldn't that isolate it?

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[manleystanley]

Working on a track file and I need to do the same thing. I have to add a 1 to the frame name of each object; 490 . I need to re-evaluate.
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