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Paul-Jan
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: Meet & Greet chat-session on October 26, 20:00 GMT+1

The date for the second Meet & Greet has been set: on Wednesday the 26th of October, we will all meet up online and have a ball. Make sure you don't miss it! Jeroen and me will be online from 20:00 our time, click here to find out what time that is at your location. And yes, this time we will try to remember to log the conversation for future reference You can find our chat room here, or use your favorite IRC client to visit us at #Delgine, on the scenenet network.

Mr.Fletcher
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Joined: 07 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject:

Hey guys, don't forget the meeting today Whoever wants to join is appreciated _________________ Behold! The DeleD Wiki! Please help us expanding it DeleD on IRC

nextdoorscat
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Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 187

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:39 pm Post subject:

Grrr.... I wont be around until a couple of hours after that.... Be sure to save a transcript, guys!

granada
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Location: England

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject:

Hope to be there,If my typing can keep up Dave _________________ AMD Phenom(tm)IIx6 1090t Processor 3.20 GHS 8.00 GB memory Windows 7 64 bit Nvida Geforce GTX 580

Jeroen
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:

Cool, if granada is there also, the whole DeleD team is complete!

mappy
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Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 340
Location: France

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject:

Oops I've missed it

trucker2000
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Location: Sacramento, California

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject:

I got there too late. _________________ Some day I will grow up and be a real modeler. "Never give up! Never surrender!!" Sys specs: asus 8 gigs ram Invidia gtx560 video card Windows 8 (worst op sys Ever)

Paul-Jan
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject:

The log has just been published on the main chat page

Daaark
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Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Posts: 2696
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:08 am Post subject:

The log is fugly and text doesn't wrap! Maybe a formatter app could be written hmm... make nice html. What is the color code for the Background on delgine.com? Fletcher is right about the 3d view window lighting. It's really bad and I wish too that is was just 1 or 2 directional lights. A toggle would be very nice in the options. Nothing fancy. Just 1 2 4

Mr.Fletcher
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:45 am Post subject:

This thread may be the wrong place, but I wanted to add that it might be nice to have a "Solid and Textured View", like the textured view but with the lights from the solid view. Oooor the solid view with textures Just a thought. _________________ Behold! The DeleD Wiki! Please help us expanding it DeleD on IRC

Daaark
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:56 am Post subject:

Mr.Fletcher wrote:

This thread may be the wrong place, but I wanted to add that it might be nice to have a "Solid and Textured View", like the textured view but with the lights from the solid view. Oooor the solid view with textures Razz

Just a thought.

Agreed.

Anyways, I wrote a converter and made an html of the log, I can't get the command to work. Everything stays bold! Confused

Daaark
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:59 am Post subject:

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*** Opened channel log for #Delgine at 10/26/2005 8:05:39 PM 
[20:07] [MrFletcher]    Hmm This and be mad about the others being late and abort the meeting :) 
[20:07] [MrFletcher]    btw, you would never guess what i'm doing with deled atm 
[20:07] [MrFletcher]    well, SOME DAY you WOULD guess it 

[20:07] [Paul-Jan]    Errr... this isn't a dirty joke, right? :) 
[20:08] [Paul-Jan]    You got me mighty curious now. 
[20:08] [MrFletcher]    erm... no, it's not ;) 
[20:08] [MrFletcher]    it's nothing special though, but it looks damn good even this early 

[20:08] [Paul-Jan]    (note how logging has been turned on, so no industrial secrets :D) 
[20:08] [Paul-Jan]    Tell me tell me tell me! 
[20:08] [Paul-Jan]    Can you show something? 
[20:09] [MrFletcher]    ah btw, what are you using to draw the primitives in solid mode? it's not opengl lighting, right? 

[20:09] [Paul-Jan]    Yep, that's OpenGL lighting. 
[20:09] [Paul-Jan]    With 2 or 3 lights (I can look it up if you want to know) 
[20:10] [Paul-Jan]    And polygon-based normals (so no normal smoothing) 
[20:10] [MrFletcher]    hmm no i just wondered... because it doesn't really look like it, i hardly can see contrasts between orthogonal polygons sometimes 

[20:11] [Paul-Jan]    That's because of the multiple lights, probably. Is it a serious issue? No-one has signalled it before, but if there are contrast-problems in that mode we should probably adjust the lights. 
[20:12] [Paul-Jan]    (note: it's 4 lights, even) 
[20:12] [MrFletcher]    hmm imo, a single directional light would be anough. try it out maybe to see what's better? 
[20:13] [MrFletcher]    http://tinypic.com/f0t15z.jpg here it is, gonna be the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin 

[20:13]    *** Jeroen (~Jeroen@i153225.upc-i.chello.nl) has joined #Delgine 
[20:13] [Paul-Jan]    I think Jeroen did (way back when he implemented solid mode), and decided this looked better. That said, that doesn't mean we shouldn't rethink that :) 
[20:13] [Jeroen]    yes i did! 
[20:13] [Jeroen]    euh 

[20:13] [Paul-Jan]    *clickety* 
[20:13] [MrFletcher]    haha hi jeroen 
[20:13] [Jeroen]    hi there ;) 
[20:14] [Jeroen]    so what are you guys talking about? 

[20:14] [Paul-Jan]    Jeroen: MrFletcher just mentioned how in solid mode sometimes the contrast between orthogonal polygons is really low. 
[20:14] [Jeroen]    that's correct 
[20:14] [Paul-Jan]    And wanted to know why it wasn't just a single directional light in stead :) 
[20:14] [Jeroen]    solid mode works with opengl lighting, 

[20:14] [Paul-Jan]    Ah Mr Fletcher, that looks wonderful! 
[20:15] [Jeroen]    with a few lights at infinite distances from the 6 angles of direction (front/back,left/right,up/bottom) 
[20:15] [Jeroen]    nothing fancy really, and far from perfect 
[20:15] *** Mode change [+o Jeroen]    on #Delgine by ChanServ 

[20:15] [Jeroen]    what looks wonderful? 
[20:15] [Paul-Jan]    Plus it's only 4 lights, actually :) 
[20:15] [Jeroen]    oh, could be! :D 
[20:16] [Jeroen]    i think i didn't put in up/bottom 

[20:16] [Paul-Jan]    Mr Fletcher just shared a nice link of a model he is working on. 
[20:16] [Jeroen]    oh well ;) 
[20:16] [Jeroen]    share it again please Mr Fletcher! :D 
[20:16] [Paul-Jan]    Just before you came in. 

[20:16] [Paul-Jan]    :) 
[20:16] [MrFletcher]    http://tinypic.com/f0t15z.jpg there it is ;) 
[20:16] [Paul-Jan]    Mr Fletcher, we should really get you hooked up with a DeleD 1.34 beta. The new screenshot system would make that look so much better. 
[20:16] [MrFletcher]    been working at it for an hour now 

[20:17] [MrFletcher]    ya well, i do not have it *hint hint* ;) 
[20:17]    * Paul-Jan wonders if he has MrFletcher's e-mail address :) 
[20:17] [Jeroen]    looks great indeed :) 
[20:17] [Paul-Jan] Mine is [address removed]    

[20:17] [MrFletcher] it's [address removed]    Paul 
[20:18] [Paul-Jan]    Ah ok. I'll make sure that doesn't gets published in the log :D 
[20:18] [Jeroen]    ah yeah, are we logging this session? 
[20:18]    *** Guest101 (~moraldi@thesi36-a187.otenet.gr) has joined #Delgine 

[20:18] [MrFletcher]    at least i do :-O 
[20:18] [MrFletcher]    ha, hi Guest101 
[20:18] [Paul-Jan]    Me too, Jeroen :) 
[20:18] [Jeroen]    thumbs up! 

[20:18] [MrFletcher]    whoever you are 
[20:18] [Paul-Jan]    Hi Moraldi! 
[20:18] [Guest101]    hi, everybody! 
[20:19] [Jeroen]    hi moraldi! 

[20:19] [Paul-Jan]    How is the programming-thing going? 
[20:19] [Jeroen]    nice of you to join us again! :) 
[20:19] [MrFletcher]    uhmm had hardly much time this week paul,... 
[20:19] [Guest101]    well, i have to musch work in my office... 

[20:19] [MrFletcher]    next step is going to be bots though 
[20:20] [Paul-Jan]    *lol* that's great, because I wanted to know that from both you guys :) 
[20:20] [Guest101]    do we have to wait for a long time for 1.34? 
[20:20] [Paul-Jan]    Oh mrFletcher, It'll take 5 more minutes, as I have to remove the splash screen from the beta (the splash screen still is a bit.. buggy, so to speak :D) 

[20:20] [Paul-Jan]    Jeroen, tell 'm :) 
[20:20] [Jeroen]    that's up to Paul to answer, for he is preparing that version ;) LoL 
[20:21] [MrFletcher]    no problem paul, i were just to announce that i'll be right back, taking a shower :P 
[20:21] [Jeroen]    have a good one! :) 

[20:21] [Jeroen]    as for 1.34, it'll be out around november 15 
[20:22] [Jeroen]    then we'll be working on 1.4, which will be released somewhere in januari 2006 
[20:22] [Jeroen]    1.4 will include lots of new lowpoly routines (and a new internal datamodel) 
[20:23] [Guest101]    do you plan to make changes in GUI? 

[20:23] [Jeroen]    a few small ones, nothing drastic 
[20:23] [Jeroen]    unless you have suggestions? ;) 
[20:24] [Guest101]    no i have not somehting in my mind, besides i like DeleD GUI 
[20:24] [Jeroen]    glad to hear that! :D 

[20:24] [Guest101]    why my nick is Guest (how can i change this?) 
[20:24] [Jeroen]    we will be enhancing the GUI of course, but the main GUI concept will remain the same 
[20:24]    *** Guest101 is ~moraldi@thesi36-a187.otenet.gr (Java User) 
[20:24]    *** Guest101 is on channels: #Delgine 

[20:24]    *** Guest101 is on server irc.nl.scene.org (SceneNet Europe (Rotterdam, The Netherlands)) 
[20:24]    *** Guest101 has been idle for 10 seconds 
[20:24] [Jeroen]    hmm... good question 
[20:25] [Jeroen]    i don't know much about IRC.... Paul probably knows this 

[20:25] [Paul-Jan]    I guess you didn't fill in any name at the login box (and you didn't log in at the forum first, otherwise your forum-name automatically gets picked) 
[20:25] [Paul-Jan]    Change it by typing: 
[20:25] [Paul-Jan]    "/name moraldi" 
[20:25] [Paul-Jan]    or whatever you want your name to be. Without the quotes 

[20:25] [Paul-Jan]    Or is it /nick... wait, wait 
[20:25]    *** Paul-Jan is now known as flip 
[20:25]    *** flip is now known as Paul-Jan 
[20:25] [Paul-Jan]    It definitely is /nick. 

[20:25] [Paul-Jan]    :) 
[20:26] [Paul-Jan]    Sorry for that, been playing a bit too much counter-strike lately :) 
[20:26]    *** Guest101 is now known as moraldi 
[20:26] [Paul-Jan]    Yeah :) 

[20:26]    *** Jeroen is now known as flaflip 
[20:26] [moraldi]    thanks! 
[20:26]    *** flaflip is now known as Jeroen 
[20:26] [moraldi]    i have a question about UV's in DeleD 

[20:26]    *** Jeroen is now known as JeroenDT 
[20:26]    *** JeroenDT is now known as Jeroen 
[20:26] [Paul-Jan]    Good! 
[20:26] [Paul-Jan]    Ask away! 

[20:27] [moraldi]    when i am try do anything with UV's i simply do nothing (when i am in Face mode) 
[20:27] [Paul-Jan]    Yeah, that one should really go into the FAQ. That means 'auto uv' is still on. 
[20:28] [Paul-Jan]    First, in object mode, perform a right mouseclick. In the properties, there is the Auto UV property. It will be on. 
[20:28] [Paul-Jan]    Set it to off. Now you can alter the UV properties as much as you like. 

[20:28] [moraldi]    ok, thanks 
[20:28] [Paul-Jan]    Maybe, perhaps, DeleD should do that automatically. It is just that when building maps, you usually really want to use Automatic UV generation. 
[20:29] [Jeroen]    DeleD could that automatically indeed 
[20:29] [Jeroen]    as soon as you're in face mode, AutoUV could be shut down 

[20:29] [Jeroen]    and when you're in any other mode, it is on again 
[20:29] [Jeroen]    something like that 
[20:29] [moraldi]    ..i will try it but why the default is on? 
[20:30] [Jeroen]    because that will make sure DeleD recalculates every UV coord after each modification you do 

[20:30] [Jeroen]    for example, when you move an object 
[20:31] [Jeroen]    DeleD recalculates the UV coords of that object 
[20:31]    * MrFletcher is back 
[20:31] [Jeroen]    hi fletcher! 

[20:31] [Jeroen]    quick shower! 
[20:31] [Jeroen]    ;) 
[20:32] [MrFletcher]    yeah, didn't want to miss something ;D 
[20:32] [moraldi]    and another question please...? 

[20:32] [Jeroen]    no prob, ask away! 
[20:32] [moraldi]    what is the TWeirdo class ?(if i remember well that name) 
[20:33] [Jeroen]    hehe, that's a little joke i put inside the Hints ;) 
[20:33] [Jeroen]    a Weirdo is someone who is a bit strange (in real life) 

[20:34] [Jeroen]    I thought it was funny to say I wrote a TWeirdo class just for fun 
[20:34] [Jeroen]    i actually didn't write that class.... 
[20:34] [Jeroen]    i'm just a bit strange myself, or at least i like to think i am ;) 
[20:34] [Paul-Jan]    Personally, I think it great someone actually read that much of the hints! Way to go, Moraldi :) 

[20:35] [Jeroen]    indeed! 
[20:35] [Jeroen]    thumbs up! 
[20:35] [moraldi]    i am agree its funny, i remember hiden code in about dialog box of MS Excel in an old version 
[20:35] [Jeroen]    is that so? 

[20:35] [Jeroen]    something about a flightsimulator? ;) 
[20:36] [Jeroen]    say moraldi, you are a software engineer too right? 
[20:36] [moraldi]    no, no it was an animation if youy clicked in some point whithin the dialog 
[20:36] [Jeroen]    ah cool! 

[20:37] [moraldi]    an idea for DeleD, perhaps...? 
[20:37] [Paul-Jan]    Yeah I remember those easter aggs. 
[20:37] [Paul-Jan]    eggs. 
[20:37] [Paul-Jan]    If anyone can think of a nice original one for DeleD we'd be more then willing to hide it somewere :) 

[20:37] [MrFletcher]    yeah it was something like this in ms word, too 
[20:37] [Paul-Jan]    Ha Mr Fletcher, did you get my e-mail by any chance? 
[20:37] [MrFletcher]    you had to type red, green, blue and yellow and assign the colors to it 
[20:37] [Jeroen]    yeah, we need an easter agg in DeleD ! 

[20:38] [Paul-Jan]    egg. 
[20:38] [Paul-Jan]    egg. :) 
[20:38] [Jeroen]    euh 
[20:38] [MrFletcher]    ah paul good you mention itt ;) 

[20:38] [MrFletcher]    gonna check it 
[20:38] [Jeroen]    aester egg! 
[20:38] [MrFletcher]    Got it, Paul! 
[20:39] [Paul-Jan]    Good :D 

[20:41] [MrFletcher]    lol wtf paul 
[20:41] [MrFletcher]    you sent me the PRO version :P 
[20:41] [Paul-Jan]    Seriously??? 
[20:41] [MrFletcher]    oh yes 

[20:41] [Paul-Jan]    I bet it is asking for you key right now, then :D 
[20:41] [Paul-Jan]    *woops* 
[20:41] [moraldi]    Paul-Jan, i want to send you a very basic demo of my first game to hear from you your opinion 
[20:41] [Jeroen]    Jeroen slaps PJ with a large trout 

[20:41] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi, that would be great! 
[20:42]    * Paul-Jan rebuilds the beta for MrFletcher... Lite, this time. 
[20:42] [MrFletcher]    hope so :) . Or it was a decent note to buy the pro version ;) 
[20:45] [Paul-Jan]    *lol* No, we would never do that :) 

[20:45] [Paul-Jan]    Mail is on the way. I actually build the right version, but sent you the wrong zip file (had a beta lying around I recently sent to Dave and Hpesoj) 
[20:45] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: Are you going to send me the game by e-mail, or just a link? 
[20:46] [Paul-Jan]    (game-demo) 
[20:48] [Jeroen]    i'd like a link too, if you're going to send a link ;) 

[20:48] [moraldi]    i just send you by e-mail 
[20:48] [Paul-Jan]    Cool :) 
[20:49] [moraldi]    not you, the demo, sorry for my english 
[20:49] [MrFletcher]    hehe 

[20:49] [Paul-Jan]    Oh I understood what you mean :) 
[20:50] [Paul-Jan]    (as if our english is any good... there are no native English speakers here at the moment) 
[20:50] [Paul-Jan]    Waiting for my e-mail to arrive (the story of my life) 
[20:51] [MrFletcher]    haha paul i just recognized that all the email sending made no sense 

[20:51] [MrFletcher]    you wanted to give it to me because of the advanced screenshot functions, but those are only included in PRO :) 
[20:51] [Paul-Jan]    No, no 
[20:51] [MrFletcher]    okay over sampling 
[20:51] [Paul-Jan]    Lite has the most important one! 

[20:52] [Paul-Jan]    Oversampling is what makes the screenshots look good :) 
[20:52] [moraldi]    Paul-Jan, Jeroen what we have to wait from the next versions of DeleD 
[20:52] [Paul-Jan]    The rest (arbitrary size and stuff) is just convenience. 
[20:53] [MrFletcher]    hmm yeah looks a lot better :) 

[20:53] [Paul-Jan]    Show us show us :) 
[20:53] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: 
[20:53] [Paul-Jan]    1.34: 
[20:53] [Paul-Jan]    - better screenshots, skyboxes, fogging 

[20:53] [Paul-Jan]    - basic u, v editing functionality improved 
[20:54] [Paul-Jan]    - loads of bugs fixed 
[20:54] [moraldi]    i didn't noticed a bug, can you tell me one? 
[20:54] [Paul-Jan]    - vertice picking in the 3d view 

[20:54] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: bugs discoved so far are: 
[20:55] [Paul-Jan]    - Selecting a polygon in 3D, then moving it in one of the 2D windows triggers weird selections 
[20:55] [Paul-Jan]    - spotlights sometimes revert back to scene center when saving / reloading 
[20:56] [Paul-Jan]    - NaN's sometimes end up in the saved DMF files, corrupting them. 

[20:56] [Paul-Jan]    And that's it thus far. 
[20:56] [Paul-Jan]    OH, and 
[20:56] [moraldi]    i do not have the first problem (i have an old GForce) 
[20:56] [Paul-Jan]    - X exporter now supports scale factor. 

[20:57] [MrFletcher] Okay, direct comparison: http://www.toby-h.de/images/screenshots/gate_03_without.jpg [without oversampling] http://www.toby-h.de/images/screenshots/gate_03_with.jpg [with oversampling]    
[20:57] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: You had to do a little trickery to see it. Especially apparent when working with a sphere. 
[20:58] [moraldi]    but i want to know how to generate a lightmapped game level without to many light 
[20:58] [moraldi]    lights 

[20:58] [Paul-Jan]    MrFletcher: That looks almost like a text book example of 'why we should have implemented this sooner' :D Great images! 
[20:59] [Jeroen]    indeed, i'm very much impressed :D 
[20:59] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: You mean you can't get it to look good without too many lights? 
[20:59] [MrFletcher]    wait until it's finished :D 

[21:00] [moraldi]    no i mean if i use on light for example i have dark areas (i am totaly new to lightmapping) 
[21:01] [Paul-Jan] Lights do have an area, yes, like in real life. If you want it bigger, the quickest trick is to set the intensity to ]    100 (200 usually works nicely). Also, make the attenuation factor smaller. 
[21:01] [moraldi]    so i must use to many lights to avoid these darken areas 
[21:01] [MrFletcher]    oh oh i found a bug :D 

[21:01] [Paul-Jan]    MrFletcher: Already? Oh no :D 
[21:02] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: Set the quadratic attenuation factor to zero, that usually helps. 
[21:02] [MrFletcher]    :D When selecting an image for the skyboxes, "all supported formats" doesn't show any image. You have to pick jpg or bmp to find something 
[21:02] [moraldi]    Paul-Jan, did you get my e-mail? 

[21:02] [Paul-Jan]    MrFlechter: Ah yeah, I was working on that last night when I fell asleep :) 
[21:02] [Paul-Jan]    Very well possible :) 
[21:03] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: I am recieiving it _right now_ . Took a while to get here, I must say. 
[21:03] [Paul-Jan]    Greece must be further away from holland than one would think :) 

[21:03] [moraldi]    LoL! 
[21:04] [moraldi]    i have an ISDN connection for the momment. From 2006 i hope to get my ADSL... 
[21:05] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: *WOW* loads of interactivety already, _definitely_ continue this one! 
[21:05] [Paul-Jan]    I love swinging on that swingy-thingy! 

[21:06] [Paul-Jan]    I do think I broke it though, by jumping against the bottom-side of the platform. THe program suddenly lost focus and wont come up again. 
[21:07] [moraldi]    i told you that elevator is not ready 
[21:07]    *** VDark (~VDark@Ottawa-HSE-ppp269129.sympatico.ca) has joined #Delgine 
[21:07] [moraldi]    Paul-Jan, thanks but i realy want to hear from you bad news not good news... 

[21:07] [MrFletcher]    :D Hello Vampyre! 
[21:07] [moraldi]    you know what i mean 
[21:07] [Paul-Jan]    Hi Vampyre :) 
[21:08] [moraldi]    Hello Vampyre! 

[21:08] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi. Things that could use some improvement: 
[21:08] [VDark]    *looks into his screen* There are people in here! 
[21:08] [Paul-Jan]    - the jumping feels clumsy, make it dependent on how long the jump button is pressed, and maybe a bit slower 
[21:08] [Paul-Jan]    - the art is too programmer, especially the colors. They should be a bit more cartoony, a little less poison like 

[21:09] [Jeroen]    hey VDark! 
[21:09] [Jeroen]    howya doin'! 
[21:09] [VDark]    Hi 
[21:10] [VDark]    Tired of coding, and looking at the new EM: Lighthouse... 

[21:10] [Jeroen]    :) 
[21:10] [moraldi]    thanks a lot Paul-Jan! 
[21:10] [VDark]    That;s actually a good idea, because I was looking for ideas like that with something I was making... I am going to try and make one now 
[21:13] [Paul-Jan]    moraldi: that enemy-guy is really annyoing :) 

[21:13] [VDark]    Did the chat die or is it just really quiet? 
[21:13] [Paul-Jan]    Both. Both. 
[21:13] [Paul-Jan]    :) 
[21:14] [Paul-Jan]    MrFletcher just recieved the new beta, so his computer probably died on him :D 

[21:14] [moraldi]    well i forgot to remove a "stop" command when you touch the lifter 
[21:14] [Paul-Jan]    Ah that would explain it :) 
[21:14] [moraldi]    what you mean annyoing? :) 
[21:14] [Jeroen]    how often are you here VDark? 

[21:14] [Paul-Jan]    Sticks to me like bees to a honeypot :D 
[21:14] [VDark]    the chat? this would be my second time. The first time was months ago 
[21:15] [Paul-Jan]    First he stops in front of me, and then he walks straight through me and follows me. 
[21:15] [Paul-Jan]    Tell me, what is the _purpose_ of my guy? Collecting diamonds? (Nice pickup animation btw!) 

[21:15] [Paul-Jan]    (not very original, but smooth and well done) 
[21:16] [moraldi]    when i start the game, i had in my mind Croc2 (remember) 
[21:16]    * Paul-Jan was thinking maybe we should hand out free goodies in the next meet and greet. Like free textures. _that_ would attract people :D 
[21:17] [Paul-Jan]    Ah yeah, I do recognize the Croc2 look and feel. Just make sure to leave out those squeeky voices :D 

[21:17] [moraldi]    this ball must collect all the diamonds throu many traps and apple enemys... 
[21:17] [VDark]    That reeks of desperation 
[21:17] [Paul-Jan]    "apple enemies"... I really like that sound of that. 
[21:17] [Jeroen]    I think we should make the chat more available. Maybe people can't find it in the menu and it should be on the main page or something 

[21:18] [moraldi]    the enemy guy is an apple with legs actualy 
[21:18]    * VDark ..? 
[21:18]    * VDark ponders the light house 
[21:18] [Paul-Jan]    I thought he was a ball with legs, but an apple with lags is great :D 

[21:18] [Paul-Jan]    legs 
[21:18] [Paul-Jan]    not lags. 
[21:18] [moraldi]    yap :) 
[21:19] [Jeroen]    VDark: are you going to give the lighthouse a shot? 

[21:19] [VDark]    Yes. I need to stop coding. Driving me insane. 
[21:19] [Paul-Jan]    Any particular problems we could help you out with (or pretend we can), or just generic coders wooziness? 
[21:20] [VDark]    Burn out. I have no problems. It works fine. 
[21:20] [Jeroen]    (Y) 

[21:20] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: also, try if you can add some simple sound effects. Usually not the most fun to code, but it greatly adds to the experience of a demo. 
[21:21] [moraldi]    i will do it Paul-Jan, and if you want i will keep you informed 
[21:21] [Paul-Jan]    But definitely don't give up on it. Knowing how far you were two weeks ago, you sure made some progress for a spare-time project. 
[21:21] [VDark]    sound is not fun to code... :) I opened up the DirectSound SDK docs, and I look to have aged 25 years now. :P 

[21:22] [Jeroen]    i coded a Module player ages ago 
[21:22] [Jeroen]    had loads of fun then :S 
[21:22] [VDark]    and you look old too... 
[21:22]    * VDark whistles 

[21:23] [Jeroen]    hehe.... i AM old 
[21:23] [Jeroen]    30+ lol 
[21:23] [Paul-Jan]    I thought directsound was kinda fun. 
[21:23] [Paul-Jan]    Or was that openal? 

[21:23] [Paul-Jan]    :) 
[21:24] [VDark]    I just implemented sphere mapping to make nice highlights on my models, and I thought it would take all day... took ten minutes and 7 of those were spent starting into the distance being zoned out hehe 
[21:24] [Jeroen]    now those are the moments, arent' they? ;) 
[21:24] [Jeroen]    so how does sphere mapping work in your case? 

[21:25] [VDark]    It replaces ugly real time specular on low poly models 
[21:26] [VDark]    I'm not using it for anything fancy... just a white circle on a black texture 
[21:26] [Paul-Jan]    Which usually looks _GREAT_, right? :) 
[21:27] [Paul-Jan]    Especially with a bit chrome-like texture with some highlights. 

[21:27] [Paul-Jan]    Very 90's demoscene-ish :) 
[21:27] [VDark]    http://photobucket.com/albums/v227/Vampyre_Dark/BlockBurner/ see for yourself. The sphere mapping is the top left with no gui 
[21:28] [moraldi]    well guys i must leave, do you have any time plan for the next e-meeting? 
[21:28] [Paul-Jan]    It's nice how everyone coming in tonight has something to show. 

[21:28] [Paul-Jan]    Moraldi: Too bad you must go. The next meeting will probably be in... two weeks I guess? 
[21:28] [Paul-Jan]    Keep your eyes on the little date on the main site. 
[21:29] [Paul-Jan]    Thanks for letting me see the preview of your game, I love that kinda stuff! 
[21:29] [moraldi]    ok, thanks and goodnight to all of you! 

[21:29] [MrFletcher]    cya moraldi 
[21:29] [Paul-Jan]    Bye! 
[21:29] *** moraldi (~moraldi@thesi36-a187.otenet.gr) has quit IRC [Quit: moraldi]    
[21:29]    * Paul-Jan is now looking at VDarks screenshot. 

[21:30]    * VDark takes Moraldi's chair... was sitting on the floor *redface* 
[21:30] [Paul-Jan]    Yeah, that does look nice!!! How is that game coming along, btw? When do you want to plan to release it? 
[21:31]    * VDark looks too, and loves how the gif pallete ruins the effect! :) 
[21:31] [Paul-Jan]    Lots better than the gouraud shaded _then_ gif palettized screenshots though :) 

[21:31] [VDark]    Well, it's playable now. Justs needs more polish and sound. hmm.. pollish, polish? the one that's not the place. :) 
[21:31]    *** gll (~gll@69.46.197.94) has joined #Delgine 
[21:32] [Paul-Jan]    As in the pollish reverse notation :D 
[21:32] [Paul-Jan]    Hi gll! 

[21:32] [MrFletcher]    hey gll 
[21:32] [gll]    Hello 
[21:32] [gll]    am I late? 
[21:33] [MrFletcher]    it's okay, main thing is you're here at all :) 

[21:33] [VDark]    I know the sphere map affect is supposed to be outdated. But it's a nice 1.1 effect and does the job well enough. I don't need to both making a cubemap so so little an effect 
[21:33] [VDark]    bother^ 
[21:33]    * VDark can't type anymore 
[21:34] [Paul-Jan]    I think you are absolutely right. It simply looks very very nice. 

[21:34] [Paul-Jan]    And frankly, people who play these kinda games don't really care about the underlying tech. 
[21:34] [Paul-Jan]    For all they care they could be prerendered animations :D 
[21:34] [Jeroen]    you're quite on time gll 
[21:34] [Jeroen]    btw, i don't know anybody named gll? 

[21:34]    * Paul-Jan was trying not to show, but neither does he :) 
[21:34] [gll]    I'm a noobee

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Daaark
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:14 am Post subject:

^^^okay, it's good to go Or not... damn forum...

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:18 am Post subject:

screw it, I'll just mail the goddam n thing..

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That looks really good. http://www.3dcentral.net/DeleD/Greet1.html _________________ Some day I will grow up and be a real modeler. "Never give up! Never surrender!!" Sys specs: asus 8 gigs ram Invidia gtx560 video card Windows 8 (worst op sys Ever)

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