DeleD Community Edition

tgraupmann · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: Another 3d modeler

I am also working on an Open Source Collaborative 3d Modeling program, similar to DeleD 3D Editor. Except this one is C# .NET with MySQL in the backend.

http://www.tagcma.com/portal.php?what=link&item=20041104060250234

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Paul-Jan · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject:

Ah yes, I saw your posts on Flipcode as well, nice project. Just why exactly are you posting this in the DeleD 3D Modeling forums? And why do you call Delgine a modeler? The name of the modeler is DeleD, Delgine is who we are.

It is almost as if you just saw the (slightly misinformed) DeleD 0.914 releas post on Flipcode and thought 'hey, let's advertise my own competing product on their forums'. But no, that couldn't be it, as that would be rather thoughtless and rude Wink

tgraupmann · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject:

tgraupmann · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:

Paul-Jan · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject:

Just testing if you were just slightly misinformed or spamming. Good to see the latter is not the case, as you product is (like I said in my first post) pretty cool and doesn't need empty advertising.

And no, you are right, we are not open source. Simply because at some point in the future we'd like to start and try making a living out of this (and similar) tools, and we don't believe that would be possible (or at least a lot more difficult) if we open-sourced the product (we have had some discussions about that in the past Wink

).

That said, it is really cool that your product _is_ open source, and I see no need to delete this post at all. (just moved it to a more appriopriate thread). Keep up the good work!

(I'll let Jeroen answer the question about the DeleD origin. I just stepped into the project when it had already matured quite a lot, he is the 'founding father' of Delgine and DeleD)

tgraupmann · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject:

We started out having similar discussions on Open Source vs non-open source.

We decided we will go through a publisher to make the game, but provide the tools to edit content as Open Source. That way we can gain a user base that also creates content.

As for the making $$$, there's that. I can tell ya. I'm compelled to work on this night and day outside of work. Yet, I can't get rid of the sentiment I have for newbies in need of tools like this. And don't want to charge. I have an idea of using a subscription model that will cover hosting. But that is in the not to distant future.

Jeroen · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:27 am Post subject:

Paul-Jan · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:50 am Post subject:

About the 'compelled to work on the project ouside working hours', the same holds for us, but we'd like to spend _all day_ working on these projects, not just the spare hours.

As far as sentiment for the newcomers in need of tools, we'll keep the free Lite version going.

tgraupmann · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:

Jeroen · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject:

History of the world... err... Delgine... and DeleD.... and well, us!

I've always loved graphics coding. Seeing graphics-demos (around 10 years ago, omg i'm getting old!) actually made me get into programming in the first place. I've started writing simple tutorials about how to code graphics effects (google Vulture/Outlaw Triad if you're interested in old-school assembly code of starfields, wormholes etc Wink

), wrote a Module player, a raycasting engine (like wolfenstein) and various other things. Then I met this 51 year old retired guy called Jim from the USA who had read my tutorials and we teamed up to create something bigger and better. Alas, Delgine was born (Del from Delphi, gine from 3D engine as some of you might already know). The deal was simple: I would create a simple leveleditor (all in my spare time as I was already working fulltime), Jim would write a 3D engine and when both were done, we would create a full 3D rpg game with those tools. We came a long way but then Jim had to start working again and couldn't spend anymore time on the project. By pure chance, I met PJ on the internet. He released he was talking to Vulture/OT which made him very enthousiastic because he actually had read my tutorials a few years earlier (small world!). So he took Jim's place and started Parnassus, our new 3D engine. DeleD was already pretty much suitable to create levels with and I was constantly adding new features. I realised that creating tools is just as big an undertaking as creating an actual game with those tools. Parnassus did not have such progress because PJ had to spend very much time on his fulltime job. It's hard to write a 3D engine from skratch, that's for sure. So sometime last year, PJ stopped working on Parnassus and started helping me out with DeleD. Reason? Because we had noticed that DeleD had become pretty popular in the last year or so, with 30 to 40 new downloads a day (without advertising much), much more popular than a Delphi-based 3D engine could ever become, we figured. PJ and I are a great team: we know what we want and how to achieve it and we are able to divide the workflow amongst ourselfs perfectly. We hardly ever disagree on anything and if we do, we discuss things and come to a decision that way (believe me, I've seen other things in my professional carreer, let me tell you!). I already had planned that DeleD should have 4 basic functions: low-polygon functions, CSG, Skinning and Lighting. I am concentrating on the first 2, PJ will implemented the last 2.

That's basicly the history of the project. And I didn't even tell you about Dave yet! Dave once emailed me (about 1.5 years ago?) asking me how much DeleD cost because he wanted to buy it. It's freeware! Well, Dave has been part of the team ever since because he really likes the simplicity of how to achieve things in DeleD. He's creating very impressive 3D models (and textures lately!) which inspires us to enhance DeleD more and more, which inspires him to create even more goodlooking models etc. Wink

Because we'd like to spend all day on graphical programs like DeleD, we've decided to create a PRO version and go for it. Selling it for a low price and creating a large userbase will hopefully enable us to start working fulltime on DeleD and all the other things we have in mind. We'll keep you posted! Very Happy

OMG, just like the old times when I wrote tutorials... once i start typing, I can't stop! Shocked

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granada · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject:

Chris · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 161 Location: UK

tgraupmann · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject:

tgraupmann · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject:

Chris · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 161 Location: UK