DeleD Community Edition

AndrewB · Last edited by AndrewB on Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:57 am; edited 1 time in total

Hi Guys,

I was playing around in the editor last night, putting together some simple scenes to load into my engine. I was trying to create a few cubes with dimensions of 1x1x1 and found that the editor would not allow me to do this. I could use the grid tool to create a 10x10 grid of 1x1 squares, but was unable to create 1x1x1 cubes to sit on top of the grid. Even after changing the grid size, the smallest I could create a cube was around 4x4x4.

Is this a technical limit / restriction within the tool or should the tool allow this?

Also I noticed that the DMF file stores a reference to all materials loaded into the material picker. I think I have read in other threads that other export tools also export all materials. Are there any plans to only export/save materials used within the scene?

Cheers,

Andrew.
_________________
Indie Game Design & Development

http://www.beatthemachine.com

Daaark · Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject:

You will have to move the vertices to make a cube that is 1x1x1.
_________________

Vijchti · Member Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 250

That is strange. Although, you can just turn snap to vertices off, then use the absolute scale to change an existing cube's dimensions to 1x1x1.
_________________

"Psst, Here's a secret...Your last mortal thought will be,
'Why did I take so many days - just like today - for granted?'"

LIONCode · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:56 am Post subject:

AndrewB · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:47 am Post subject:

LionCode: Cheers for the explanation Very Happy

- It won't be a problem for me to add some extra code to my converson app to filter out the unneeded materials. Just thinking about it, my engine format could take the file converted file with all unwanted materials anyway as it would just ignore them - but it would look a little lazy (and sloppy). I figured before spending time making the change, I would check to see if there was a way around it to get me out of doing it :p (or maybe making Jeroen do something Wink

)

Cheers for the responses Vampyre_Dark & Vijchti. With regards to my other question on the 1x1 objects. I have taken a few screen dumps to help explain what is going on a bit better. It may just be my lack of understanding in the tool causing the problems.

My settings - Grid size set to 1, grid snap off.

Trying to create a 1x1x1 cube. Note settings are 1,1,1

After lifting mouse button, nothing appears. I attempt to create a cube again, this time covering an area of 2x2 squares. Again nothing happens when lifting the mouse button.

Attempt to create a cube by draging the mouse over an area of 3x3

This time it created a 3x1x3 object.

So i'm not sure what is going on?
_________________
Indie Game Design & Development

http://www.beatthemachine.com

Daaark · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:

It's a known issue. Laughing

I brought it up ages ago. I guess DeleD doesn't let you make objects that small so that you don't accidentally click and drag a ton of small objects.
_________________

AndrewB · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject:

Ahh a known defect!

It probably should let you create objects of 1x1 since the grid size can go that small, and the actual creation parameters for the cube allow for a value of 1 on the length, width & height. Or if there is a limit, have some validation within the system. Well a way around it for now will be to work with a larger gridsize and add some support to my tool for downsizing during conversion.

Damn you Jeroen! Razz

Cheers,

AndrewB.
_________________
Indie Game Design & Development

http://www.beatthemachine.com

Vijchti · Member Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 250

Daaark · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:46 am Post subject:

Vijchti · Member Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 250

Paul-Jan · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject:

Andrew:

You are right, DeleD should allow you to create cubes of 1x1 and below. Originally, DeleD used to be integer based, and it still shows in the functionality and interface here and there. I am putting this on the list (sorry Vampyre, for some reason way back when you mentioned this problem we forgot to take notes, so this issue ended up MIA) to fix.

That said, I think you are taking the safest route by allowing your loading routine to scale the scene/model down to the size used inside your application. Modeling at a larger scale is currently more convenient within DeleD. Smile

Daaark · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject:

AndrewB · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject:

Paul-Jan: Cheers for the feedback. I implemented the change to my tool last night which now allows for scaling down of the scene vertices - so my engine is happy Smile

Thinking about it further last night while implementing the change and playing within DeleD, I agree with you completely. It is much more convenient to be working in a larger scale within DeleD and I will actually continue to do so - and then just scale as required when converting my .dmf files.

AndrewB.
_________________
Indie Game Design & Development

http://www.beatthemachine.com