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hpesoj
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 Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: Requests... |
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A few more requests which I think would enhance the DeleD experience  ...
1. Average vertices along a single dimension, would be good for making curved edges/surfaces flat.
2. Snap vertex to grid hotkey (I'm not sure if there is already one, but I haven't found it). Ie. snaps any selected vertices to the grid when pressed.
3. Switch around the direction for vertical scaling. At the moment it increases the size when you move the mouse down. I think this is quite confusing :S.
4. Preserved ratio scaling still needs to be fixed, as it most definitely doesn't preserve the ratio . I know I suggested this before, but that was quite a while ago. The scaling also seems to be quite irregular. Sometime a lot of mouse movement results in hardly any scaling, and sometimes it results in far too much.
5. Maybe you could add a 3 dimensional preserved ratio scaling?
6. Sometimes the merge function distorts the faces and vertices of the objects. I don't know why this should be and I can't pinpoint when or why this happens, but I thought the merge function just combined two meshes without actually touching the mesh structure.
7. You can't undo after merging two objects!
8. Could you add a threshold for welding vertices  . It seems that even if the two vertices are a thousandth of a unit apart, they don't weld. It'd be handy to be able to specify how close two vertices have to be to weld.
9. It'd be cool if the connect function could connect any number of vertices. One vertex should only be connected to one new edge per face, and DeleD should work out the combination of edges to create, so that the total length of the new edges is a minimum (ie. first connect the closest vertices, then the next closest (provided you haven't already connected one of them already)). This way you could connect a load of vertices at once like this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/hpesoj/connect.jpg
Big timesaving . You could also split something like a cylinder in half, and connect all the vertices around the circumference.
10. Edge loop select! I should think you know what this is, so I won't explain unless you want me to.
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DraVen
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I would like (if possible) a .ms3d (milkshape) or .3ds or .obj exporter. As some of my modellers use various programs & would rather use their specific tools for certain tasks (to save learning over again).
If these (or one of) could be created I would really appreciate this 
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Daaark
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| DraVen wrote: |
I would like (if possible) a .ms3d (milkshape) or .3ds or .obj exporter. As some of my modellers use various programs & would rather use their specific tools for certain tasks (to save learning over again).
If these (or one of) could be created I would really appreciate this |
The obj spec is up at wotsit.org the files are very easy to write out yourself! If you are a coder you should have no problem making a converter or a plugin to export that format. .obj is just a text file with everything plainly written out. I'm not saying it wouldn't be good to have in Deled, I would have used that functionality the other day! Just saying that if you can code, you can roll your own in like a few hours.
11. Kill the new colour picker! |
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Paul-Jan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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hpesoj: Those are all great suggestion! Will respond to them in more detail, but right now I have to unwind after 2 hours of debugging vertex picking in the 3D view (one day I will remember opengl stores matrices in column-major... one day... ).
DraVen: like Vampyre says, you'd probably be best off running those exporters yourself (or maybe some other kind soul on these forums will). It is not that we don't want to implement them, but exporters to "intermediate" file formats have rather low priority at the moment. We have got some game-specific exporters and imporers planned first.
Vampyre: I'm sorry, but it has got to stay. Old dialog didn't do Alpha values. We need Alpha, so it is either this or nothing. However, we will try to get it's functionality up to speed with your needs. If you got any specific ideas of how things should work, yell
As it was ovbiously built with my personal working flow in mind (quickly jamming in R, G, B values requires a lot less actions now, and H->SV picking is a lot more convenient to find a color, especially if you are rather colorblind), what did you espect |
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DraVen
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I never wrote an importer/exporter before but i'll give it a shot over the next few days when i get some spare time.
If i manage to get them working properly i'll post them up on here incase they decide to include them in deled
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Daaark
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| DraVen wrote: |
I never wrote an importer/exporter before but i'll give it a shot over the next few days when i get some spare time.
If i manage to get them working properly i'll post them up on here incase they decide to include them in deled |
Do you need to be able to convert the obj back into a dmf? |
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DraVen
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Not to sure, would be useful but reckon we could work around it.
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Daaark
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| DraVen wrote: |
| Not to sure, would be useful but reckon we could work around it. |
I have an app done up that loads a dmf (no lights, must be triangles, only 1 texture and lightmap) that exports to a format I made up. You could blank out the export function and write out an obj with it I guess. You might need to modify the dmf loader a bit for your own needs. |
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DraVen
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Im gonna have a look around now & see what i find. Then code the exporter tomorrow i reckon.
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Daaark
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DraVen wrote: |
| Im gonna have a look around now & see what i find. Then code the exporter tomorrow i reckon. |
This is really all you need http://www.wotsit.org/download.asp?f=w_obj
If you want the source code I offered, just send me an email, and I'll send it asap when I see the message. |
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Daaark
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| oh yeah, I even have old obj loading code somewhere. It doesn't handle materials, and only 1 type of face definition, but it can help you see what you need to do. I think it's very easy to follow. |
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DraVen
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Send over everythin you have that may be of use to me Thanx btw
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Daaark
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| DraVen wrote: |
| Send over everythin you have that may be of use to me Thanx btw |
I'll need an address. -edit- I'll use your MSN one. I'll package it up and send it off tommorow. |
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DraVen
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joelcoldson@hotmail.com < msn addy
im back & fourth to the pc today so if i dun respond i'll prolly be afk
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Daaark
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:25 am Post subject: |
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You have mail.
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Hello.
Here is the stuff I promised. The archive contains the project files for my DMFTools app that will load a DMF in the proper format into a class and then it has an export button to export the data in the class to a dqm file(my custom format). You can try to overwrite the export functionality to write out an obj file.
I have also included an old file called c_model.cpp. No need for headers or explanation here, as my class data isn't important, you need only concern yourself with the c_model::LoadObj member function which should be easy to follow along. Like my dmf loader, it's not complete. It only handles the data I was interested in. Note that there are many different ways to specify the face data (as written in the obj spec I linked you to earlier). My loader only loads faces that are triangles and have proper normal and uv indices. like
1/2/3 1/2/3 1/2/3
It will not load other face lines such as 1//3 1//3 1//3, it will bomb and cause an error (this wasn't intended for public release). |
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